Former model who accused Trump of groping her in 1990s says Epstein mentioned Trump ‘every time we talked’

The former Sports Illustrated swimsuit model who accused former President Donald Trump of groping her in front of Jeffrey Epstein in the early 1990s offers more details about what she says she observed about Epstein’s relationship with the current presidential candidate and what she says Epstein told her.

“I would say he was talking about just seeing Donald or just doing something, I mean, every time we talked,” Stacy Williams, who worked as a professional model, told ABC News in the 1990s.

This week, Williams went public with an allegation that Trump groped her in front of Epstein after she said Epstein, who would later become known as a serial sex offender, brought her to Trump Tower in the early 1990s.

“I felt so humiliated”

In her interview with ABC News, Williams said that during her months-long relationship with Epstein, whom she said she met in 1992, Trump was among the three people Epstein talked to her about the most, one of two the other was Ghislaine Maxwell. , a longtime associate of Epstein who has since been sentenced to 20 years in prison for recruiting and grooming underage girls whom Epstein sexually abused.

The third man, Williams said, was Leslie Wexner, the billionaire retail tycoon who once hired Epstein to manage his fortune.

“The people he talked about the most were his boss, or whoever he was, Les Wexner, it’s hard to understand that role. And then Ghislaine, again, a little ambiguous strange relationship. And then Donald Trump,” Williams told ABC News. “These are the people he talked about the most.”

The details come after Williams first publicly discussed the alleged incident in detail during a public “Surviving for Kamala” Zoom call last Monday night in support of Vice President Kamala Harris. The group is not officially affiliated with Harris’ presidential campaign.

In a statement to ABC News, Trump campaign spokeswoman Caroline Leavitt denied Williams’ allegations, saying in part: “These allegations, made by a former Barack Obama campaigner and announced during Harris’ campaign teleconference two weeks before the election, are unequivocally false. “

Asked about the claim that Epstein frequently spoke about Trump, a Trump campaign spokesman said: “It is widely known that President Trump banned Jeffrey Epstein from his Mar-a-Lago club when his sex trafficking allegations came to light.” exploitation.”

During the Zoom call, a video of which ABC News obtained, Williams, who first began speaking publicly about the alleged incident with Trump and Epstein in Facebook posts dating back to 2020, said she believed the alleged groping incident was a “twisted game ” between Trump and Epstein.

“I felt so humiliated, I felt sick, I was so upset, and when I realized what happened a few minutes later, I felt like it was some kind of stupid bet or game between the two of them,” Williams said. “I was wheeled in there like a piece of meat for some test or some twisted game, and I felt terrible.”

“I decided it was time to share this and I am ready to win this election,” Williams, a longtime Democrat active in politics, said during a Zoom call. “The thought of this monster coming back to the White House is my worst nightmare.”

“It was organized”

Williams told ABC News that the alleged encounter, when she was 24, lasted no more than ten minutes. “I was shocked and frozen,” Williams said.

“He just put his arms out and pulled me towards him, all the while pressing his hands to some part of my body,” Williams said in an interview. “His hands touched the sides of my chest, not the front, but the sides of my chest, my waist, and then slid down to my butt and just kept running up and down my body as they both carried on talking.”

Speaking to ABC News, Williams explained that shortly after the alleged incident, she began to suspect that the meeting with Trump and Epstein was “staged” but began to deny it due to the shame it made her feel.

“I have no doubt now that this was planned,” Williams said.

Shortly after the alleged incident, Williams said Trump sent her a handwritten card of his Mar-a-Lago estate that read, “Stacy is your home away from home. Love Donald.” A photo of the postcard was published in ABC News.

Two friends confirmed to ABC News in interviews that Williams told them years ago about the alleged incident with the former president. Longtime friend Allison Gutwillinger told ABC News that Williams invited her to his home in 2015 to talk about the alleged incident after Trump announced his candidacy for office.

“I came to her house. There was a postcard on the kitchen counter with what looked like Mar-a-Lago on the cover. I turned it over and saw a handwritten note with the signature ‘Love, Donald,'” Gutwillinger said. . “Then she told me he groped her at Trump Tower.”

“Not a fan of his”

Trump eventually distanced himself from Epstein, who committed suicide in prison in 2019 while awaiting trial on federal charges. sex trafficking charges. Authorities say Epstein sexually exploited and abused dozens of underage girls at his homes in New York and Florida and elsewhere in the early 2000s.

In 2002, Trump told New York magazine: “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Amazing guy.”

“He’s a lot of fun. They even say that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are younger,” Trump said then.

Epstein was questioned about his relationship with Trump during a March 2010 deposition in a civil lawsuit against Epstein brought by some of his victims.

Epstein responded, “Yes, sir,” when asked if he had communicated with Trump. When asked if he had “ever interacted with Donald Trump in the presence of women under 18,” Epstein responded, “While I wish I could answer that question, at least today I will have to assert my Fifth and Sixth Rights.” and the 14th Amendment is true, sir.”

By the time Epstein was indicted in 2019, then-President Trump told reporters at the White House that he was “not a fan of his, I can tell you” and that he had “not spoken to him in 15 years.”

A year later, Trump wished Ghislaine Maxwell “good health” after a reporter asked him whether the longtime Epstein associate should reveal the names of powerful people who were associated with the serial sex offender.

“I don’t know,” Trump said. “I don’t really follow it that much. Honestly, I just wish her the best.”

In 2021, Maxwell was convicted of five out of six points related to the abuse and trafficking of underage girls.

During Maxwell’s trial, flight logs released into evidence showed Trump was listed as a passenger on Epstein’s private planes at least seven times: four times in 1993, once each in 1994 and 1995, and a previously known time in 1997.

At least 18 women accused Trump of various inappropriate acts, including allegations of sexual harassment or sexual assault. During Trump’s first White House campaign in 2005, a video surfaced of him discussing fondling women, in which Trump can be heard telling former Access Hollywood host Billy Bush: “When you’re a star, they let you do it.” do”.

“I am automatically attracted to beautiful women, I just start kissing them, it’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I’m not even waiting. And when you are a star, you are allowed to do this. You can do anything.” Trump saidincluding “grab them by the pussy.”

Trump apologized immediately after the comments were made public, saying in a video: “Anyone who knows me knows those words do not reflect who I am,” adding: “I said it, I was wrong, and I ask forgiveness.”

Trump has long categorically denied all the women’s accusations. In some cases, he and his team members have categorically denied individual allegations, but they have also repeatedly categorically denied all allegations, calling the women liars.